Curse

Sir Kilgore · Nov 16, 2006, 02:32 AM // 02:32

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Originally Posted by Sid Soggybottom

I'm sorry, but there really has been an excessive amount of complaining on the boards. Complaints about the A.I. Complaints about how hard Nightfall is. Complaints about how easy it is. Complaints about how long it is. Complaints about how short it is. You get the picture. All of these probably stem from bored players.

Do I ever get bored of the game? Of course. It's because I've played it for a long time. And most of you have as well. Anything can get boring after a while. Go take a break. If GW seems too much as more of the same, then do something else. Play another game for a while. But don't expect the game to magically change into something completely new.

Also, this has turned into another thread complaining about the A.I. And we sure need another one of those right?

Sid, you seem to pop up everywhere to disagree with those who don't like what has been done to the game and that's fine in principle. BUT, you always seem to want to tell someone else how they should play the game instead or that they should take a break or how they should do things the way you do them.

Frankly no one cares. People here are not asking for someone else's opinion on how to make the game more fun or for little tips from condescending people on how to make the game fresh. They are simply expressing their displeasure at what has been done. There is no problem for you to solve, and no advice needed.

If you disagree with the OP and are not bored then please just post that you are not bored and maybe give a few reasons, but for the love of god would you please stop trolling for flames by your "reasonable" attitude and perhaps unintentional condescension towards others who do not share your opinion?

No two people are likely to see things exactly the same way. Can't you accept that some people here are just honestly expressing their opinion that they don't like what has become of the game? We all spent the money for the game and for some of us it's not what we anticipated based on the information we were given. It's perfectly natural for us to express our displeasure at that turn of events.

Will things get changed as a result? Probably not. However, if no one complains then there will certainly not be a change. So, yeah this is another complaining thread. AND it's where it should be and it's done in the manner that should be done.

Back to the topic. Yep, something's definitely added to the level of boredom for this one and I don't think that it's the content of the game per se for me. I think it's just the fighting. For some reason it just doesn't seem fun. You can adapt to it. Instead of your old "cookie-cutter" skill bar, you can create a new one. Either way you're still using the same skills over and over again, so that's not it. The human interaction part is probably an issue too. Even guildies are more likely to play without another human unless it's a particularly difficult mission.

Dunno what else to say. I just hope they find a way to breathe life back into it.

Irukandji · Nov 16, 2006, 02:38 AM // 02:38

Yes, I'm already pretty much bored of playing Nightfall. I got my Canthan Necro through it quite fast, including doing most of the side quests and cartographing a bit, and now that my Elonian Ele has also finished NF, I don't actually have any intention to get my other characters through it. As many stated here, it's just too repetitive and quite unrewarding. Although the new maps are very nice and beautiful, I'm totally bored of the beginners' island after only playing it once, but that might just be me.
When I got a little bored with Prophecies for the first time, I was lucky enough to have taken lots of time so I didn't have to wait very long for Factions. When I got all my characters through Factions I just did UW duals over and over again, not just for the money and ectos, but actually for the fun of doing it with nice people, getting better at it, and eventually finding nice things while doing it. When this got boring I soloed some Shiro'ken, cartographed, got my monk her protector titles, all those things that still were quite entertaining back then. Then Nightfall came and I really looked forward to lots of hours exploring the game, finding exciting new things to do, etc. Now, after not even a month, I can't dream of doing it all over again, just because there wasn't actually much new to explore, not many things to do which haven't already been done over and over in the previous games. After all, it's just a new chapter and I guess some people just expected too many revolutionary changes, while all we were getting was the same thing wrapped up in a new skin. I actually like the hero system as far as I can tell them to stay the hell back, but that about covers it, I guess...

Some posters are advising to just take a break, and that replaying a game over and over is just bound to get boring - that may, of course, be right. But even if it's only a new chapter and not a completely new game, I think it shouldn't deliver the feeling of just replaying the original game, even when you're doing it for the first or second time only. I really hope that there will be some major gameplay changes in GW:4... otherwise I can't see myself playing this game for so much longer. Sure, I could try out new farming builds, but since they're probably going to be rendered useless any time, I don't really see the point. I agree to everyone claiming that Anet seems to be forcing their customers to play the game the way they want us to, and for me, this just isn't the way to have fun for a long time; but that's my bad, I suppose.

I'll just spend some time trying to get my new assassin the survivor title, and probably playing Ragnarok Online again, which, for some reason, still has a bloody lot of replay value for me after years... maybe adding a totally imbalanced gunslinger class to GW which does 50.000 damage per hit might eventually solve all our problems. :P
Jk.

birdfoot · Nov 16, 2006, 02:43 AM // 02:43

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Originally Posted by Sir Kilgore

People here are not asking for someone else's opinion on how to make the game more fun or for little tips from condescending people on how to make the game fresh. They are simply expressing their displeasure at what has been done. There is no problem for you to solve, and no advice needed.

If you disagree with the OP and are not bored then please just post that you are not bored and maybe give a few reasons, but for the love of god would you please stop trolling for flames by your "reasonable" attitude and perhaps unintentional condescension towards others who do not share your opinion?

No two people are likely to see things exactly the same way. Can't you accept that some people here are just honestly expressing their opinion that they don't like what has become of the game? We all spent the money for the game and for some of us it's not what we anticipated based on the information we were given. It's perfectly natural for us to express our displeasure at that turn of events.

Will things get changed as a result? Probably not. However, if no one complains then there will certainly not be a change. So, yeah this is another complaining thread. AND it's where it should be and it's done in the manner that should be done.

Wow, I've made quite a number of posts but your single post simply beats all of mine. I believe that's what most of the bored guys here (including myself) are after, some changes that ANet would hopefully consider and making a good game even better so that all can enjoy. Cheers.

Narutoscryed · Nov 16, 2006, 06:55 AM // 06:55

The simple fact that an anet rep named gaile grey has made 2 threads in the time this thread has been up.
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"The ask the devs any question thread."

"and the Changing the skill hunter title thread."
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and not one comment has been made from any sort of anet authority on this major issue.

That means to me that they really dont give a shit what we think. they dont care. they have our money. they are happy. thats all that matters.

Now they will just post usless threads on worthless harmless topics like asking dumb questions and changing pointless titles.. just to keep the cows happy

In my honest opinion i have lost all respect for these people due to the godly ammount of cowardess they have shown in adressing the very valid points made by some concerned members of the gw comunity..

regardless of what side your on fellas.. you should take this as a slap in the face. anet has betrayed both sides by not giving any sort of responce.

AND TO THE ANET DEVS. i challenge you to come here and make a post with any kind of relevant information on the course of action you are going to take.. even if its simply saying that you chose to do nothing and that we should stop complaining.. come here and say somthing.

i respect no one that just pretends a problem does not exist instead of adressing it like an adult

that to me just screams coward

Sid Soggybottom · Nov 16, 2006, 07:13 AM // 07:13

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Originally Posted by Sir Kilgore

If you disagree with the OP and are not bored then please just post that you are not bored and maybe give a few reasons, but for the love of god would you please stop trolling for flames by your "reasonable" attitude and perhaps unintentional condescension towards others who do not share your opinion?

Again, I have to say: Disagreement and differing of opinions does not equate to trolling. If you can't handle difference of opinions then you shouldnt be on a forum.

garethporlest18 · Nov 16, 2006, 07:37 AM // 07:37

Yeah NF is really repititive for me it's hard to play through it 9 times. I've barely gotten most of my characters to the mainland. Taking a break will not help as unless everything is back to the way it was, I will still be bored. Guild Wars is almost just done with me, because no matter what they do, I'm going to be bored. Since it seems nothing in NF is really all that new, at least not new enough to keep me entertained. Since buying armor is pretty fun for me still, if I was able to make enough money to do that I could still be having fun.

Also the lack of them answering to this is..well very frustrating and one of the reasons I'm starting to dislike Anet. They don't have to reply and have that reply favor the bored people, just any type of reply whatsoever will be appreciated. Because if they only care about their new customers that's BS.

Narutoscryed · Nov 16, 2006, 08:31 AM // 08:31

Well gaile just posted in the one thread in responce to someones joke about the titles.. it was stupid..

how long do they plan on hiding themselves..

at this point its kinda like that lady with the 60 pound tumor. And when asked why she didnt get it removed sooner she said. cause i figured it would go away.

yes anet.. you guys are that obvious. stop insulting the dedicated fans of your game by refusing to ackowlege this post.

Im sure its just as serious as deciding to either keep the skillhunter title the same or split it into three seperate titles..

Xenrath · Nov 16, 2006, 11:16 AM // 11:16

If you find yourself actively looking for reasons to continue playing then chances are you're just delaying the inevitable. You're in essence forcing yourself to play, which is the wrong reason to play a game.

I've had GW since the first one, really loved that one. Factions.. meh, never really got into it for various reasons. Nightfall, very nice map and places to go etc. felt more like the original in ways but (for me) the Hero system killed off large swathes of co-op since I primarily play multiplayer games to play with other humans (not bots). Aside from that after 14 months things do get a little samey.

Farming seems ultimately pointless and shallow since all you're really doing is going for a different skin. Here's a tip to those getting frustrated/bored about gold/titles - take a break for a while, do some other things (not GW related) then when you realise farming and such is really kinda frivolous you'll have much less stress and frustration. How often do you spend looking at the weapon skin your char has anyway? Most of the time you're looking at the skills bar or something...

Trvth Jvstice · Nov 16, 2006, 11:51 AM // 11:51

Why do think Anet would be concerned about what has been discussed in this thread? Out of 300-or so post, about 10 people have said they are bored. Over and over again.

The rest of the posts were discussions about other topics or one person flaming another. Easily half of the posts were people saying either they were Not bored or people trying to suggest different ways for the bored ones to play.

Grolubao · Nov 16, 2006, 12:15 PM // 12:15

I'm experiencing the same problem as the OP. I really enjoyed NF, but after being stuck at Gates of Madness I've lost some of the interest. I've then managed to beat the game, but now since farming isn't the same as before I don't quite have something to do.

Ninna · Nov 16, 2006, 12:25 PM // 12:25

I dont share the same concerns (but I dont farm)

I've progressed all 10 classes to Kodash Bazaar so far, or beyond

its monotonous if I do nothing but Nightfall
** but **
I've been playing in Factions and Prophecies content too (for my elonians) or characters that didnt finish other chapters

Heroes were a breathe of fresh air
- for all my 13 characters, all 3 chapters

Narutoscryed · Nov 16, 2006, 12:55 PM // 12:55

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Originally Posted by Trvth Jvstice

Why do think Anet would be concerned about what has been discussed in this thread? Out of 300-or so post, about 10 people have said they are bored. Over and over again.

The rest of the posts were discussions about other topics or one person flaming another. Easily half of the posts were people saying either they were Not bored or people trying to suggest different ways for the bored ones to play.

although i strongly suggest you read the whole thread again... that would be insane. so i will just say that you are greatly exagerating your statement.

although to a point you are right. i myself am guilty for posting far to many times in this thread.

but i will not stand by and let this sort of thing happen. anet is ignoring the serious issues with this game. all the while throwing crap questions and threads in our faces... yours and mine.

go ahead flame me all you want.

call me a idiot or somone who just needs to stop playing..

call me any bad named degrading thing you can..

but when somthing happens that you yourself want to fight for and hopefully get changed..

and everyone flames you for an opinion that you have...

then you can call me right.

Gli · Nov 16, 2006, 01:20 PM // 13:20

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Originally Posted by reetkever

From doing nightfall twice, I've got 5K in total - just enough to buy max armor for my dervish.

I don't believe that.

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Originally Posted by reetkever

sure, the people who already have some gold can just market, but ppl with nothing won't get anything either - maybe a golden staff that reqs 13 Healing prayers and has effects for Spawning Magic, Earth magic and Fast Casting -_-

And now I believe you haven't even played Nightfall at all. Items like that don't spawn in Nightfall. Every staff, wand and focus item only spawns with modifiers of the same attribute as the requirement.

WasAGuest · Nov 16, 2006, 01:35 PM // 13:35

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Originally Posted by Narutoscryed

Well gaile just posted in the one thread in responce to someones joke about the titles.. it was stupid..

how long do they plan on hiding themselves..

at this point its kinda like that lady with the 60 pound tumor. And when asked why she didnt get it removed sooner she said. cause i figured it would go away.

yes anet.. you guys are that obvious. stop insulting the dedicated fans of your game by refusing to ackowlege this post.

Im sure its just as serious as deciding to either keep the skillhunter title the same or split it into three seperate titles..

Has anyone else noticed the general attitude changes towards darker and even more upset players in general of late? GWOline rescently in many threads had people outright attacking Gaile for account security... something she has nothing to do with. Massive complaints all over the place on the AI (look at the fanboys screaming constantly "Not another complaint on AI!"); complaints about the lack of drops, lack of general "fun"... and more.
The general mood of the population is falling faster and faster. To me, this is simply because the game is no longer as much fun as it used to be. People are obviously still having fun, but is it as much fun as before?
How many threads have come up lately from people asking others to stop complaining? How many complaints, valid or not, are going to show up today.

Look at the posts even here. Go take a break... go play something else... why bother doing X, it's gonna get nerfed... the list keeps going.
Everytime the players "adapt" the rules change, not creating a better and more fun game experience; instead, we get a blander less dynamic with less options game play.

Some of the advise is unfounded and some outright silly. Nightfall is new, a break shouldn't be needed at this point. Playing something else is silly, we just spent $50 or more on Nightfall. It should be holding our attention and have a life longer than a week.

Anet's idea; throw a triple green drop weekend. This is dumb. Why is someone who is bored with the core game going to go "farm" for a green item when the game play itself is not fun? Anet should be addressing the problems first, then celebrating with "weekend throw-a-bone" parties.

I believe we are not hearing from Anet on any of this, because it's working exactly like they want it too. They've been trying to shove PvP down the PvEers throats since day one. They don't want players "end game" to be farming, or co-op grouping, they want adults to go play infant games like tag in the arenas... this is obvious in the current state of the game. Even the AI is trying to act like PvPers running around non-stop or insta-targeting the monks.

What we are seeing is poor customer relations and poor game design. Making matters worse, the Anet devs seem to have an ego and arrogance about them that puts them above hearing the customers complaints. They've descided on a course of action and are not straying from it. End game, gg.

Summary, I'll not buy another Anet game again... ever. I'll try and finish Nightfall (my patience on the AI pending) to see the story through (which is very good) and go pickup a fun game... cause this one is... boring.

Narutoscryed · Nov 16, 2006, 01:42 PM // 13:42

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Originally Posted by WasAGuest

Has anyone else noticed the general attitude changes towards darker and even more upset players in general of late? GWOline rescently in many threads had people outright attacking Gaile for account security... something she has nothing to do with. Massive complaints all over the place on the AI (look at the fanboys screaming constantly "Not another complaint on AI!"); complaints about the lack of drops, lack of general "fun"... and more.
The general mood of the population is falling faster and faster. To me, this is simply because the game is no longer as much fun as it used to be. People are obviously still having fun, but is it as much fun as before?
How many threads have come up lately from people asking others to stop complaining? How many complaints, valid or not, are going to show up today.

Look at the posts even here. Go take a break... go play something else... why bother doing X, it's gonna get nerfed... the list keeps going.
Everytime the players "adapt" the rules change, not creating a better and more fun game experience; instead, we get a blander less dynamic with less options game play.

Some of the advise is unfounded and some outright silly. Nightfall is new, a break shouldn't be needed at this point. Playing something else is silly, we just spent $50 or more on Nightfall. It should be holding our attention and have a life longer than a week.

Anet's idea; throw a triple green drop weekend. This is dumb. Why is someone who is bored with the core game going to go "farm" for a green item when the game play itself is not fun? Anet should be addressing the problems first, then celebrating with "weekend throw-a-bone" parties.

I believe we are not hearing from Anet on any of this, because it's working exactly like they want it too. They've been trying to shove PvP down the PvEers throats since day one. They don't want players "end game" to be farming, or co-op grouping, they want adults to go play infant games like tag in the arenas... this is obvious in the current state of the game. Even the AI is trying to act like PvPers running around non-stop or insta-targeting the monks.

What we are seeing is poor customer relations and poor game design. Making matters worse, the Anet devs seem to have an ego and arrogance about them that puts them above hearing the customers complaints. They've descided on a course of action and are not straying from it. End game, gg.

Summary, I'll not buy another Anet game again... ever. I'll try and finish Nightfall (my patience on the AI pending) to see the story through (which is very good) and go pickup a fun game... cause this one is... boring.

holy crap dude... will you be my spokesman.. i wish i could talk like that.. thanks for that amazing post.....

Trvth Jvstice · Nov 16, 2006, 02:03 PM // 14:03

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Originally Posted by WasAGuest

Has anyone else noticed the general attitude changes towards darker and even more upset players in general of late? GWOline rescently in many threads had people outright attacking Gaile for account security... something she has nothing to do with. Massive complaints all over the place on the AI (look at the fanboys screaming constantly "Not another complaint on AI!"); complaints about the lack of drops, lack of general "fun"... and more.
The general mood of the population is falling faster and faster. To me, this is simply because the game is no longer as much fun as it used to be. People are obviously still having fun, but is it as much fun as before?
How many threads have come up lately from people asking others to stop complaining? How many complaints, valid or not, are going to show up today.

I believe we are not hearing from Anet on any of this, because it's working exactly like they want it too. They've been trying to shove PvP down the PvEers throats since day one. They don't want players "end game" to be farming, or co-op grouping, they want adults to go play infant games like tag in the arenas... this is obvious in the current state of the game. Even the AI is trying to act like PvPers running around non-stop or insta-targeting the monks.

Summary, I'll not buy another Anet game again... ever. I'll try and finish Nightfall (my patience on the AI pending) to see the story through (which is very good) and go pickup a fun game... cause this one is... boring.

The reason you see so many complaint posts here is because 9/10 complaint posts are made by people people that want to try to create another 19 page uber thread.

With SO MANY people playing and buying all 3 games, it's obvious that Anet is doing at least one thing right; they've made a game that millions enjoy and play on a daily basis.

Sure it was an exaggeration when I said only about 10 of the posts here were by people that are saying they are bored, but no one can deny that Anet has made a successful product and for it to be successful, it has to be enjoyable by the majority of the people buying it.

Sure, some people are tired of the game. Just as they eventually tired of Diablo 2, Starcraft, Battefield 2 and countless other immensely successful games.

Xenrath · Nov 16, 2006, 02:12 PM // 14:12

There are 8 different people on the first page alone agreeing with the OP. Someone's not been reading this thread and just waded in with "I like to whine about whining" type of comment...

Trvth Jvstice · Nov 16, 2006, 02:25 PM // 14:25

No I read probably 17 of the pages. I said I was exaggerating.

My comment was in reference to someone saying that Gaile had made 2 posts since this thread started, supposedly showing that Anet doesn't care about what the GW community thinks.

My point was that most of the people that have posted here were either the same people posting over and over again, were posting to agree or rebut another post, or people that are not bored with the game.

If someone at Anet was to read this thread, they would probably have the feeling that, other than a few hardcore farmers, most of the people here are generally satisfied with their product.

WasAGuest · Nov 16, 2006, 02:49 PM // 14:49

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Originally Posted by Trvth Jvstice

The reason you see so many complaint posts here is because 9/10 complaint posts are made by people people that want to try to create another 19 page uber thread.

With SO MANY people playing and buying all 3 games, it's obvious that Anet is doing at least one thing right; they've made a game that millions enjoy and play on a daily basis.

Sure it was an exaggeration when I said only about 10 of the posts here were by people that are saying they are bored, but no one can deny that Anet has made a successful product and for it to be successful, it has to be enjoyable by the majority of the people buying it.

Sure, some people are tired of the game. Just as they eventually tired of Diablo 2, Starcraft, Battefield 2 and countless other immensely successful games.

Note sure what you're trying to say, other than you agree there are tons and tons of complaints.
I've already stated that:

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Originally Posted by WasAGuest

People are obviously still having fun, but is it as much fun as before?

... so that's covered already.

Of course all games become old and boring... but as I said, Nightfall is brand new. I barely opened the game manual and finally read the lore last night.

I'm not sure about successful either. To me, in an online game, success kinda means a longer than three release life span that is fun... as in not boring.

If Nightfall is lastest release and is less fun than the first game... I would consider it and Anet a failure. I simply compare the basis to other online games I have played. EQ for example; each expansion added more fun and the nerfs and "balancing" never killed any enjoyment. I lived with that game for almost 6 years and never got bored. I finally left cause I wanted to play something else. Key there is that I "wanted" to play something else. Not "needed" to take a break.

Nightfall and GW in general could be made extremely fun again. But that's up to Anet to heed what is being said; not the taking of a break, or player base adjusting to an un-fun game play.

It could also be argued that GW is a completely different game and it's like comparing apples and oranges. That's partially true, but not entirely. It's an online game, it's also touted as an online RPG. With that, certain standards apply, when those standards are ignored or removed (such as basic gameplay features - auction houses, ability to alter appearance, equiping with interesting and unique looking gear, standard RPG roles such as "tanking", and much much more) interest will fall. We can agree to disagree on this all day; but simple fact is the things even mentioned above Anet says GW has, will have; yet GW does not... still...

And again, when even GW biggest fans are saying "enough complaining"; it's not because yet another thread has been opened to get the 19 page uber thread, it's because the point of the original thread has been lost and buried in the fanboys flame bait... and constant trolling; and because ANet has yet to address the concerns, valid or not... so another thread on the same topic and issue is raised again... and will keep getting raised and brought up untill the issue is fixed, or the players give up and walk away from Anet for good.

What the fanboys need to understand, and I don't mean the hard core fans, I'm refering to the people that refuse to see fault, when there is clearly a fault or something wrong (so this doesn't apply to anyone here... yet); the general mood of the players is getting darker. This means, people are getting ticked off. Anet ignoring the issue and hoping it goes away is not going to work in their favor.

And by fault, I mean Nightfall is still new; this post should not be here. It should be still fun and interesting to play. I'm not here complaining to complain. I'm here wondering why Anet has yet to adjust the core problems of the game that used to be fun, yet no longer are. I'm here posting in the small hope that Anet devs see the issues listed here and on every other fan forum I could find and addresses them quickly. Sadly, all I can find on an update from Anet is about a title re-work and a weekend gimick.

Anyway, discuss; rebuke, debunk... whatever you all do, enjoy it... cause the game is less fun than reading these forums these days.

- which is oddly funny since even those saying they still are having a blast are here posting all the time with us bored people.

xXa1 · Nov 16, 2006, 03:27 PM // 15:27

bored and frustrated. because the anet devs continue to create the game they want and not the game their customers want.

and until the devs learn to address the concerns of their customers instead of creating their inanely stupid polls about titles (who freaking cares about titles these days) and weekend events (i thought they didnt want people to farm now they create a farming frenzy???), then the time will come when people will certainly give up ranting and log-off for good.

for the record, what people are complaining abuot boils down to these few issues:

1. ai behaviour since the NF update (there was no reason to "fix" what wasn't broken in the first place and this thoroughly riles the pve community)
2. heroes in pvp areas (player vs player is never player vs bot and it thoroughly riles the pvp community)
3. the lack of human interaction in elona

there anet devs. address those issues and maybe we won't feel bored and will stop griping about our frustrations.

if the devs continue to develop guild wars into the game they want, then this will be a niche market game that cannot survive using it's current business model.